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(The second half of Mason’s essay, which I will blog about in the future, deals with the LDS Church’s gradual movement toward accepting the Westphalian view of deference to the state. He argues that it started much earlier than most believe.)
I always thought these sorts of centuries spanning body counts were rather pointless bordering on silly for all kinds if reasons. Can we really distinguish this precisely whether any particular swath of bloodiness was primarily religious or statist? When Hindu India and Moslem Pakistan were violently pulling apart, were the body counts 37.62% state caused and 62.38% religious caused? Or vice versa? When Spanish kings drive Moslems out of their renaining states in Iberia, were they advancing the Kingdom of God or expanding their worldly domains? And in what proportions for each motive if the answer is both? Who the hell knows? Same question for both sides of every one of the Crusades.
However one does the calculation, I can say this: living in a nation at peace (more or less) I much more concerned about some nut case who convinced that god not only wants him to kill but will reward him for doing it than I am about political violence not throughout all recorded history, but here and now.
Has there ever been a war that didn have a religous element to it ? George W sold his illegal wars as second crusades and vs evil and had no problem comparing the west against those evil muslims. In our civil war there were constant claims at all levels that God was on their side. The mountain meadow massacre was justified as God vengence on those who killed Joseph Smith. The initial reason for war may not have been strictly a matter or religion,
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I think the jury is still out on Brigham Young directly ordering the Mountain Meadow murders. There seems to be at least some evidence supporting both sides of that argument. Mormon bashers and conspiracy buffs of course ignore evidence that would tend to exonerate brother Brigham, while Church defenders tend to do just the opposite. From reading extensively on the affair, I do not think there is conclusive evidence either way.
As to the Government attacking the twin towers that of course is considered pretty silly by most rational thinking people who know much about it. One thing is for sure however, the whole incident was manna for the manic tin hat wearing conspiracy buffs.
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