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Cole’s statement that "nations actually did not exist in the modern sense before the late 1700s there are no eternal nations through history," draws the ire of [tdaxp]. "[Nations] did not somehow magically appear they have existed for centuries,
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And with the advent of Martin Luther’s Reformation and An Open Letter to The Christian Nobility of the German Nation Concerning the Reform of the Christian Estate (1520) and the Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope (1537), feudalism was on the way out in continental Europe.
Note in the above that Luther refers to the German Nation. And clearly, with the rejection of the Pope as being supreme, the peoples of Europe were taking control of their own destinies by breaking with Rome.
The Nation State did not exist before the late 1700s, or 1600s at the earliest.
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