The State of Illinois just did away with the death penalty,
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The story in the Washington Post (click) is interesting because it makes it clear that this is not only a bipartisan effort a Democratic governorsigned the bill but the policy was begun by a Republican but the more intelligent, and cost effective, way to do it.

Illinois did away with the death penalty for humane reasons too many on death row had been found innocent, the impossibility of being certain about a penalty that is certainly permanent, the inherent injustice of how cases are selected for prosecution as a death penalty case.

Weighed against those are the cries of relatives of victims who want revenge,
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Cost? In Utah the average death penalty case costs $5 million or so. The one caseBox Elder Countyis running is a major line item on the county annual budget. That your tax dollars at work, trying to kill someone.

People say shouldwe spend $35,
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So, yeah, they scum, mostly but on the chance,
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We shouldn be killing people anyway. That what killers do,
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Way to go Illinois. Utah should do the same.

neither of the high fi killers have hurt anyone since about 1992,
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nor bishop, a couple of others, and now gardiner have not hurt anyone since executed. NOT certain? that is 100% certain.

life in prison? doesn really exist,
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might we possibly, one day kill an innocent? (innocent being pretty damn subjective here) possibly. have we? most likely, in past history.

but most likely NOT since furhman. hasn been proven yet, so we are doing better. DNA? it good you there evidence but it not that good of exculpatory evidence,
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pretty much every argument against the death penalty is not really an against the death penalty. it against the system that got you there. that is where it needs to be fixed. it the conviction, NOT the punishment that may possibly be before everyone jumps on the executed band wagon, ask yourself, is it worse to be executed when innocent or be caged until you die of old age when innocent. because if it is possible to execute an it is equally possible to cage one until death of old age. don fool yourself, there is not middle ground on that issue.

cost? 30 years of appeals doesn help there. and should cost be an issue when doing the right thing? and don think for a nannosecond that all these years of appeals (read cost) won automatically jump to LWOP when DP is gone.

we shouldn do away with it, we should use it more often.

H: You wrote before everyone jumps on the "innocent" executed band wagon, ask yourself, is it worse to be executed when innocent or be caged until you die of old age when innocent. to that logic, H, if your goal is to punish convicted murderers for the crimes they been convicted of, it would make more sense to sentence them to life without parole,
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As for the innocently convicted: if you alive,
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Correct me if I misunderstood please. You don see DP as punishment but more as a deterrent to protect society from killers? I agree with the ideology. However, I must ask don you think prisons are part of our society too?

Killers may be segregated from the general populace, but continue to kill within their limited population it NOT a deterrent to them! As far as I concerned, anyone who kills another person, in the process of breaking the law, should expect his/her existence to experience the same action dished out. Forget LWOP it an humongous drain on the GNP that would be better used to diminsh our national debt.

This is a tough call, but ultimately I agree with Hawg, the problem isn the sentence it the system. Furthermore, I disagree with the assertion that social justice, even capital punishment, is on par with murder. One of the biggest problems with the legal system is not just the cost, but the time. trials for serious crimes, just don happen. Brian David Mitchell is a case study here. I not an attorney, nor do I have any real experience with how the legal system works, but from an outsiders perspective it appears quite inefficient in terms of cost, and just as importantly, in administering justice. Long story short, keep the death penalty,
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hawg is right,
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Faced with that, it is best not to.

Hawg says life without parole is not a deterrant because prisoners seek it over the death penalty everyone, pretty much, would rather live than die,
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But the truth is, people committing crimes rarely think of the consequences or if they do, they decide the chance is worth it either way, considering the number of murders in this nation, and the numbers of people on death row, I would have to say it not working very well as a deterrant, and if revenge is what you want,
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no law deters another,
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but you did hit upon the only possible alternative I go with.

solitary confinement,
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6681, push their food through a hole in the door and you must actually die in prison. that might be effective, although as stated the thug huggers would scream cruelty and charge the state billions on superfulous appealls.

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